Comments on: 5 fundamental social design patterns http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/ All that's new in the social computing space. Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:07:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: james governor http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1194 james governor Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:18:25 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1194 chris - interestig to bear in mind that @ was a user driven convention. chris – interestig to bear in mind that @ was a user driven convention.

]]> By: james governor http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1193 james governor Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:17:09 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1193 for reblog see retweeting. same pattern. Be Kind, Retweet, or @idarose recently put it "be sweet, retweet" http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/be-kind-retweet-on-the-timeless-way-of-building-networks/ for reblog see retweeting. same pattern. Be Kind, Retweet, or @idarose recently put it “be sweet, retweet”

http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/2008/11/25/be-kind-retweet-on-the-timeless-way-of-building-networks/

]]> By: Chris Pallé http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1192 Chris Pallé Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:06 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1192 Sorry, wasn't clear. I agree with you that the public timeline might be good for new users trying to understand a community's purpose, but the point I was trying to make is that I question how valuable the public timeline is for people who are already comfortable using SM in general. ie those who already use twitter, facebook, etc. For instance, I just joined blip.fm (from your invite) and the public timeline meant nothing to me, even as a new user – to _that_ community. Honestly, I was numb to it like a banner ad, BUT put a little context around that timeline and it starts to become useful. Something like a search. I did a search on Blip.fm and found songs that matched, then after "blipping," I found a list of others who blipped to the same song. That list was interesting, but that was after I began playing with the site, though. Not really new anymore. If a "public timeline" with a little context (similar music tastes) was provided, then it becomes more interesting. Dunno, is that more clear? I also wonder how valuable the *general public* timeline is for someone with zero SM experience. It's a good pattern for the intermediate maybe, but I still think a dash of context is needed for usefulness. Interesting factoid from the system-side. I had no idea.... we're all becoming nodes. :-) ... wait, becoming???? what am i talking about ;-) Sorry, wasn’t clear. I agree with you that the public timeline might be good for new users trying to understand a community’s purpose, but the point I was trying to make is that I question how valuable the public timeline is for people who are already comfortable using SM in general. ie those who already use twitter, facebook, etc.

For instance, I just joined blip.fm (from your invite) and the public timeline meant nothing to me, even as a new user – to _that_ community. Honestly, I was numb to it like a banner ad, BUT put a little context around that timeline and it starts to become useful. Something like a search. I did a search on Blip.fm and found songs that matched, then after “blipping,” I found a list of others who blipped to the same song. That list was interesting, but that was after I began playing with the site, though. Not really new anymore. If a “public timeline” with a little context (similar music tastes) was provided, then it becomes more interesting. Dunno, is that more clear?

I also wonder how valuable the *general public* timeline is for someone with zero SM experience. It’s a good pattern for the intermediate maybe, but I still think a dash of context is needed for usefulness.

Interesting factoid from the system-side. I had no idea…. we’re all becoming nodes. :-) … wait, becoming???? what am i talking about ;-)

]]> By: dlifson http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 dlifson Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:53:40 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1191 Thanks for the comments, everyone. Actually, Chris, you are illustrating my point exactly (re: public timeline). New users really benefit from it, and it's usefulness degrades gracefully. The fact that twitter doesn't make the public timeline the default homepage is a smart move - it's there for those who still need it. I imagine that many people, as brand new users, went to the public timeline for their first to get a feel for twitter and find people to follow (I know I did, and it looks like you did). I totally agree on @, though without good support for watching @replies at you it's hard to implement successfully. Another reason for providing APIs, I'd say. RE: [some online place] AT [some person}, that's a pattern that has roots in programming - namespace resolution. If you program Java, for example, you will import libraries like java.util.HashMap. it goes from biggest to smallest. IP addresses are the same way - it starts with the biggest IP address space and narrows as you move left to right. Thanks for the comments, everyone. Actually, Chris, you are illustrating my point exactly (re: public timeline). New users really benefit from it, and it’s usefulness degrades gracefully. The fact that twitter doesn’t make the public timeline the default homepage is a smart move – it’s there for those who still need it. I imagine that many people, as brand new users, went to the public timeline for their first to get a feel for twitter and find people to follow (I know I did, and it looks like you did).

I totally agree on @, though without good support for watching @replies at you it’s hard to implement successfully. Another reason for providing APIs, I’d say.

RE: [some online place] AT [some person}, that’s a pattern that has roots in programming – namespace resolution. If you program Java, for example, you will import libraries like java.util.HashMap. it goes from biggest to smallest. IP addresses are the same way – it starts with the biggest IP address space and narrows as you move left to right.

]]> By: Chris Pallé http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1190 Chris Pallé Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:35:23 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1190 Good post, Dave. I question about the public timeline, though. I've never quite see the value in it anymore. I think I remember first joining twitter spring of '07 and went to the public time simply because i was fairly new to social networking in general. Now as a veteran (ha ha) I don't go to them as readily. I look for the usual suspects (friends) and with whom they're talking. An important element (possible pattern?) is the @. I'm finding myself noticing an @ handle in emails and other random places (non-twitter related) and immediately go to twitter, put in the name after the slash and poof, i've found them. @ was so popular because of email back in the day because it meant {some person} AT {some online place}... but now it's like the the other way around... {some online place} AT {some person} Thoughts? Good post, Dave. I question about the public timeline, though. I’ve never quite see the value in it anymore. I think I remember first joining twitter spring of ’07 and went to the public time simply because i was fairly new to social networking in general. Now as a veteran (ha ha) I don’t go to them as readily. I look for the usual suspects (friends) and with whom they’re talking.

An important element (possible pattern?) is the @. I’m finding myself noticing an @ handle in emails and other random places (non-twitter related) and immediately go to twitter, put in the name after the slash and poof, i’ve found them.

@ was so popular because of email back in the day because it meant {some person} AT {some online place}… but now it’s like the the other way around… {some online place} AT {some person} Thoughts?

]]> By: A Digital Outrigger / Library Usability Links 12/11/08 http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1189 A Digital Outrigger / Library Usability Links 12/11/08 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:12:48 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1189 [...] SocialStartup.com identifies five fundamental social patterns: [...] [...] SocialStartup.com identifies five fundamental social patterns: [...]

]]> By: Daryn http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1187 Daryn Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:35:35 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1187 Great post, David. Thanks! Great post, David. Thanks!

]]> By: Christopher Clay http://www.socialstartups.com/2008/12/11/5-fundamental-social-design-patterns/comment-page-1/#comment-1186 Christopher Clay Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:18:15 +0000 http://www.socialstartups.com/?p=84#comment-1186 Interesting list -- looking forward to your analysis of how we at Soup.io implemented those patterns! Interesting list — looking forward to your analysis of how we at Soup.io implemented those patterns!

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